Testing Dinomists
I can’t believe how easy the Dinomist archetype is to use. Without any real thought, I shoved the entire Dinomist line-up into a build, including their spell and trap support, added two or three fun cards, and called it good.
Update: I took Dinomists to regionals.
Because Yu-Gi-Oh! can’t survive without breaking its own rules, I knew that Dinomists were going to have some broken strategy up their sleeves – and I was right.
What Are Dinomists?
Dinomists are an archetype of Pendulum Monsters that allow the summon of level 4 and 5 Monsters with their 3 and 6 scales. They are Water Machine-type, and they come in a mix of Level 4 and 5.
They have two Pendulum Effects that make up their gameplay-style, I call these effects Mist Armor. They allow you to protect your Dinomist Monsters from destruction or targeting effects by destroying one of your two activated Pendulum Monsters.
Scale 3 – Pendulum Effect: If another “Dinomist” card(s) you control would be destroyed by battle or an opponent’s card effect, you can destroy this card instead.
Scale 6 – Pendulum Effect: Once, while this card is in your Pendulum Zone, you can negate an activated card effect that targets another “Dinomist” card(s) you control, then destroy this card.
The Dinomist theme is really solidly constructed. At first glance, all of the Monsters seem weak, and none of their effects are even slightly broken, but in playing the archetype, you learn they have one really powerful advantage.
Dinomists Own The Battle Phase
Their field spell, Dynamic Powerload, prevents your opponent from activating anything while a Dinomist Monster is attacking or is attacked. No Mirror Force, No Honest, nothing. Of course, when you enter the Battle Phase, your opponent has one last chance to activate something, but after that, the floor is yours.
It’s crazy, because there’s all this focus on doing as much set-up as possible so that the unpredictable Battle Phase doesn’t ruin you. Reading your opponent, knowing what defensive options they could run, choosing the right time to strike – all of those things are still important – but once you enter the Battle Phase, you can take a breath. The hard part is over, the bloodbath awaits.
Dinomist Strategies
At this point, the Dinomist Strategy is focused on anticipating your opponent’s plays during their Main Phase, appropriately using Mist Armor to protect your monsters on the field, getting their Search Card/Continuous Spell Dinomist Charge, and getting the Field Spell, Dynamic Powerload and, when necessary, Xyz Summoning monsters like Castel, the Skyblaster Musketeer and Cyber Dragon Infinity to remove monsters that can’t be removed during the Battle Phase by attacking.
There are no wasted monsters in Dinomists. Everyone of them has a purpose or a place in helping the Dinomist-engine function. The two that I would say are the most important are Dinomist Plesios and Dinomist Petra.
Dinomists Plesios and Pteran
Dinomist Plesios
Separately, Dinomist Plesios lowers the attack of your opponents monsters by 100 for each Dinomist card you control. This is great because it includes itself, the two pendulum monsters you’ll have, and their Continuous spell search card, Dinomist Charge. That’s at least 400 off of each monster your opponent controls, and you’ll also be protected from cards that target and cards that destroy with Mist Armor.
Dinomist Pteran
Dinomist Pteran is their searching monster. If it destroys a monster by battle, you can search for a Dinomist card in your deck and add it to tour hand. This includes their traps and their continuous spell, but not their field spell, and of course all of their monsters. Most of the time, picking the continuous spell is the best option, since you can just play it and search for the monster you want, and that fuels Plesios, but sometimes their trap is a better option.
Together, Dinomist Plesios and Pteran are the driving force behind securing a win with this deck. Having multiple Plesios on board is just killer, all of your opponent’s monsters have their attacks reduced by about 1000. Combine this with the unstoppable attacking provided by Dynamic Powerload and the security provided by Mist Armor, and these dinosaurs just eat everything.
Dinomist Charge, Dynamic Powerload, and Dinomist Rush
I’ve mentioned Dinomist Charge a lot, but never really talked about how much of a staple it is for this archetype and Mist Armor.
Mist Armor forces you to destroy an active Dinomist pendulum monster to protect what you have on the field, and it’s actually awful unless you can convert that into beneficial plays or advantage. Dinomists don’t really have plays, they’re a very straightforward archetype, so losing vital Pendulum pieces is just bad.
Dinomist Charge
Dinomist Charge changes all that because in addition to providing you a search tool, during either players turn, it returns the first Dinomist Pendulum Monster sent to the extra deck to your hand. This cuts down on how draining Mist Armor is to your card advantage and reduces your reliance on planning to have two Pendulum monsters in your hand in case your opponent gets rid of both. It gives you permission to overextend a little bit so that you can keep your troops on the field.
One thing to note: if you have more than 1 copy of Dinomist Charge active, they do not stack their effects. The return to hand effect is only once per turn.
Dinomic Powerload
Dinomic Powerload is obviously a great card. It gives Dinomists a tool that so many other battle archetypes wished they had. It’s kind of absurd. Dinomists are already pendulum monsters, so nothing short of returning them to the deck or banishing them matters since they’ll come back. Then you layer on Mist Armor, so now the opponent has to be running the right type of cards at the right time to even dent a big assault. And after all that, should they have some kind of battle phase surprise, this field spell says no, and Charge and Petra ensure you’re set up for next turn due to their recovery and searching.
Dinomist Rush
Dinomist Rush is a “summon from deck, destroy during the End Phase” trap card. The twist is that the monster is unaffected by other card effects. This is great for bringing out XYZ material, the final bit of damage when attacking for game, or during your opponent’s turn to prevent excess damage. It’s just…a good card.
Other Dinomist Monsters
The rest of the Dinomist cast is blatant as far as their utility goes. There are two level five monsters that special summon themselves, two level five monsters that tribute other Dinomist monsters to gain special Battle Phase effects, then there’s Plesios and Pteran and one other level 4 that lets your other Dinomist monsters to self-destruct and take down enemies when they attack or are attacked.
These others don’t break new ground in Yu-Gi-Oh, they provide Xyz options for the deck and ways to get over problem monsters.
XYZ Summoning
Dinomists have no thematic way of recovering Monsters from the graveyard, so XYZ Summoning has to be done with a purpose, otherwise you just bleed cards since your new monsters won’t benefit from Mist Armor or the field spell.
Cyber Dragon Infinity
The only monster that I really think is worth it is Cyber Dragon Infinity. It provides a ‘once during either turn negate an effect’ ability by detaching a material. It also has the ability to turn an opponents attack position monster into a material. This allows you to remove monsters from the board that can’t be attacked over for whatever reason and provides cover and negation for you if the field spell or Mist Armor aren’t up and running.
Number 101: Silent Honor ARK and Castel the Skyblaster Musketeer are OK options in the level 4 space, but it’s very tough to give up Plesios and Pteran, though I would give up Pteran to get a better position if I had to choose. These are just a couple options for Extra Deck Monsters. I didn’t get to creative because, well, I didn’t have to. The deck can take care of itself pretty well.
One other interesting extra deck monster is Gear Gigant X. It can search the level 4 Monsters from the deck, or recover lost ones from the graveyard. Ironically, you have to use level 4s to make it, but at least taking from the deck thins it. I guess that’s just something I find appealing.
Dinomist Matchups
I played against Burning Abyss, Blackwing, Bujins, and Qliphorts, and after learning what to watch out for, they were really easy…except for Qliphorts.
What I figure is that any Pendulum or OTK deck will give Dinomists trouble because, in order to take advantage of Mist Armor, your opponent has to be running chainable spells and traps. The more of them they draw, the less effective their Monsters become against Dinomists. But if you’re fighting Pendulum decks, then the win is more about whose mechanics are stronger and who went for the right cards when, and money.
Qliphorts specifically were an issue because they can run Skill Drain and Lose a Turn, and their Monsters default to a higher attack, and tribute Summoning them is very disruptive, and they set-up slightly faster. Also, Saqlifice forces some awkward situations, like going into an XYZ early, or using Dinomist Stegos, the monster that turns other monsters into bombs, to clear the field.
Final Thoughts
To summarize everything I’ve said: Dinomists are fun, well designed in theme and mechanics, and hold their own very well against non Pendulum decks, and decently against Pendulum decks.
With the ability to ignore the opponents effects during the Battle Phase, it gives them an amazing opportunity to be a great deck. As a mostly monster Archetype, they seem like they have the potential to become very creative.
But, as an unbroken, attacking based deck, I’d like to see them get at least two more monsters, one that recovers up to two monsters from the graveyard, and one that banishes a monster who (at least) attacks it, but it would be great if it could banish when attacking because, right now, Dinomists can’t survive without Cyber Dragon Infinity, Castle The Skyblaster Musketeer, or Number 101: Silent Honors Ark to remove problem monsters on the spot.
The Dinomist Deck of Testing
The Dinomist Deck I tested. Can you tell I got tired of Qliphorts?
Monsters (21)
2 Dinomist Spinos
3 Dinomist Rex
3 Dinomist Ceratops
3 Dinomist Brachion
3 Dinomist Pteran
3 Dinomist Plesios
3 Dinomist Stegosaurer
1 Gazer Shark
Spells (12)
1 Terraforming
3 Smashing Ground
1 Limiter Removal
3 Dinomist Charge
3 Dynamic Powerload
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
Traps (7)
3 Dinomist Rush
1 Dark Bribe
3 Mask of Restrict
Extra Deck (15)
1 Full Armored Crystalzero Lancer
2 Cyber Dragon Infinity
2 Number 73: Abyss Splash
3 Cyber Dragon Nova
2 Gear Gigant X
1 Number 61: Volcasaurus
1 Gaia Dragon, the Thunder Charger
1 Castel, the Skyblaster Musketeer
If you’re looking for support ideas, check out Dinomists and Deskbot 001.
Here’s me using it against a guy running future Monarchs.
Have you put together a Dinomist deck in anticipation of their release? What did you do differently, what have you liked about them so far? I’d love to see this theme’s future unfold, and I’d love to hear from people supporting. You can also reach out to me on twitter @mattcarterwa .
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I play them with some earthbound monsters, and an extra chicken game, and they work really well 😀
Chicken game, really? I forgot about that card. What earth bound immortals do you use?
I’m using Dinomist as my current main deck (at least until deskbots get more support, but even then I’ll still run them a lot), and I love them.
I personally keep three of each dinomist, and I also use Rippling mirror force prominently. Not only does it keep with their water theme, but it’s a great way to entrap the opponent. I’ll often let them raigeki my dinomist even though I could save them with mist armor, only to rippling mirror force away their whole field when they try to take advantage of my percieved weakness. Then, next turn, the blood bath begins.
I also run three of galaxy cyclone, since the biggest problem I’ve spotted with the archetype is having my pendulum summon blocked with solemn strike or warning.
My number one disappointment with the deck is the lack of a clear boss monster, or a dedicated extra deck. I was hoping that the Dracoslayers would be useful, but they’re surprisingly cloggy, since their summon actually disrupts the well balanced engine the dinomists have going. It’s not really a play issue. I just think it’s more fun when you have a big, impressive exta deck monster to finish with.
Still, the deck is really fun, and I’m consistently winning against everything but Qliphorts and Monarchs, who I rate about 50% on.
I’d like to thank you for this post, as I really wanted to run dinomist but was having trouble understanding how to balance the deck before I read it.
Thanks for commenting, it’s great to hear you’re enjoying Dinomists!
I’ll keep that in mind that Dracoslayers get cloggy.
They’re only getting Spinos so far in the new set (shining victories). But have you seen the monster they might release in Dark Illusion? Dinomist Ankylos? It lets dinomists banish anything they destroy by battle – great.
I’m just starting out with my dinomist deck, mostly because i want to learn about the pendulum summoning but so far i love this deck.
Dracoslayer might get cloggy but i’m still using 1 Lusten pendulem, the dracoslayer mostly for extra deck coverage. If you can summon it after you build a nice field, you can easily the synchro and fusion Dracoslayer.
I was wondering if Stegosaurer is still worth using? Or if you would maybe replace 1 for a Rescue Hamster?
And yeah, Dinomist Ankylos is gonna be brutal.
Stegosaurer is still good, but for inconsistent reasons. He’s probably better served in the side deck. It provides this searchable destruction that the deck doesn’t have. If you have other destruction options, great, if not, maybe keep him in the deck, or keep him in mind. Rescue Hamster is the better option in general because Dinomists have DM Charge.
Thank you for the advice. I think i’ll keep 1 Stegosaurer in until i can get my hands on Ankylos.
I’m running 1 Rescue Hamster at the moment, but it’s not working well if you have DM charge(mulitiple) on the field because everything returns to your hand. At that point your sitting with a dead hamster in your hand. I found myself in this position a few times. Sure i won, but i would rather have a card i could use at that point.
I’d try what I did when I assembled the Dinomists. It worked totally awesome, especially when you take into account the staple decks at current of Kozmo and Monarch constructs. To add a new strength to it, I simply added a card called Aquarium Stage (I would also have run Infinity, but too costly to buy at current). With Aquarium Stage, all water monsters you control cannot be destroyed in battle by anything other than a Water monster, so almost a ironclad defense as your only real opposition is cards like Honor Ark (which you can negate with your Mist Wall) or monarchs like Mobius (which most don’t run in place of Erebus).
Aside form the basic cards that came out, not many other options are necessary given their power, maybe a Terraforming for the field spell and a few tricks like Torrential and Dark Hole to keep your opponent off-balance.
I’m upgrading to a magician deck soon, but I loved running these in the interim and might keep them as a backup. They totally rock 🙂
Actually, multiple copies of Charge do stack. You just can’t activate multiple copies during the same turn as each other. But their effects totally stack like crazy.
Here is what I run, and it does beat Monarchs, Kozmos and almost Blue Eyes White Dragon (Dark magician is pretty easy to beat, just to know what to do, 😉
Monsters:
2x Plesios
2x Pterans
2x Spinos
2x Rex
2x Anklyos
1x Stegosaurus
1x Brachion
1x Ceratops
2x Magical Abdubctors (she is really good for searchers)
3x Master Pendelums (for Dinoster and also it helps Abductor’s effect out)
2x Vector Dracoverlord
1x Luster Pendelum
1x Performapal SilverClaw
1x Archfiend Eccentrick (for back row popping; it also helps with scale issues and is useful with Abductor’s effect)
Spells:
2x Dinomic Powerloads
3x Dinomist Charges
2x Igknight Reload (Dinomists need a lot of draw power for this deck, so using Reload after Charges help. Plus it helps Abductor’s effect out.)
2x Mask Change II (No one expects this to ever come in play for Dinomists in locals, but it useful for back row poppage.)
2x Moray of Greed (Same with Igknight Reload)
1-2x Twin Twisters (you might want to run one, due to the fact that you are already running destruction cards already, but it doesn’t help to have this as a back-up)
1x Draco Face-Off
1x Raigeki
Traps:
2x Dinomists Rushes
2x Quaking Mirror Force
Extra Deck:
3x Dinosters (helps save pendulums from destruction and is useful for returning a Dracoslayer from the grave)
1x Masked Hero Acid (going to think of running two)
1x Cyber Dragon Nova
1x Cyber Dragon Infinity (I only run 1 of these, because everyone is expecting to play against Infinity nowadays)
1x Ignister
1x Giant Grinder (this card is really useful against cards that heavily use XYZ monsters, like B.A. PK Fire, etc)
1x Volcasaurus
1x Gagaga Cowboy
1x Abyss Dweller
1x Beast-Eyes Pendulum Dragon (This card is really useful to burn extra damage to your opponents, hence why Silverclaw is in the deck)
1x Hope Harbinger
1x Majespecter (really useful to get more searches)
1x Lancelot ( to help negate card effects and plus it can attack directly)
Side Deck:
2x Maxx C’s (it helps with Dino’s draw power)
1x Gamaciel Kaiju
1x Sticky String Kaiju
1x Thunder King Kaiju
2x Wiretaps
2x System Downs
1x Light Imprisoning mirror
1x Dark Imprisoning Mirror
2x Grand Horns
1x Necrovalley
(i am thinking of using Brilliant Fusions for this deck, it is pretty good this format)
I understand that Castel is good, but there are some cards that cannot be targeted by another card effect (which is why Rex is useful in most cases)
But when you use the effect of Rex, you still have to target a card on the field to send back right? I know the card says ‘Shuffle 1 card’ but isn’t that the same as targeting a card?
The good thing about Rex: it does not target to shuffle a card back. If Rex did target, Konami would have put the word (target) in there because it’s their standard to be as specific as possible!
Really? Well that’s very interesting to know. In that case the card is even better then i thought.
I was wondering, would a ‘Spinos, the dark door’ combination work? It would probably slow you down a lot but it would do the same to your oppponent. I think it would be nice against someone with high attack monster you can’t destroy, that you can get around it with Spinos.
I’m a big supporter of cards like the dark door. That kind of combo would be best with Charge out, since you keep your cards when they attack. They’d have no reason not to go for Spinos.
The combo would work when it works, and maybe it’d buy time for drawing into things or getting the deck going, but maybe the opponent had something for it and it doesn’t pan out. With Dinomists being so Battle focused, it might not end up working out, but I do think it sounds interesting and you should try it if it sounds fun.
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